Wednesday, 6 June 2012

Classist Conservative: "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE SUPERIOR PEOPLE!!"




Queen in Canada

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Global News
 I'm not sure if I should give a certain blogger the attention of being criticized, but their rather deplorable remarks have really ticked me off. For some context as to why I'm ticked off, as a long-time proponent of Canada as a Commonwealth parliamentary republic, the fact that our country (and so many other parliamentary democracies, for that matter) are tarnished by the inegalitarian, aristocratic stench of royalty really bugs me.





The public service slashing CON government eagerly spent $7.5 million of taxpayer money to ensure that some aristocrat with massive amounts of inherited wealth was sufficiently celebrated on the anniversary of her succession to the throne (which she earned through the hard-work of coming out of a royal womb). Winnipeg Centre MP Pat Martin took this occasion of upward wealth redistribution to question the wisdom of the institution.



Martin, who swears he's not speaking on behalf of the NDP, calls ties to the monarchy old fashioned and outdated.

"I think I speak for a growing number of Canadians...who think that this is the right time to revisit whether we should cut our apron strings to the British Monarchy," he said.

"I think what jelled it for me most recently was going to a Canadian citizenship ceremony that as an MP I get invited to often and watching these people from 30 or 40 different countries having to swear allegiance not to Canada but to the Queen."
            ("Stephen Harper's obsession with the monarchy continues". Andy Radia (June 4, 2012). Yahoo






Harper meeting royals in Buckingham Palace (top)

Image Source: The Chronicle Herald

Children living in poverty in the UK (bottom)

Image Source: Channel4.com


The blogger I'm talking about is CON Party member & BC resident Dean Skoreyko. This country club Conservative thinks it's "classless" for former carpenter Pat Martin to criticize having Her Majesty (and, later on, her heirs) as Canada's Head of State during her taxpayer funded party. I'm sorry , but the moment we're wasting public money on some aristocrat's over-glorified suck-up festival is the PERFECT moment to question the wisdom of the institution. Skoreyko, however, fails to realize this.

Martin could learn a lot from the Queen about basic manners and common courtesy on when it’s appropriate to criticise and when one should keep their mouth shut.
          ("Classless Pat Martin bashing Queen on her 60th anniversary". Dean Skoreyko. BC Blue.)

Sadly, it looks like Skoreyko's been learning basic human decency from the Queen - an aristocrat who asked the UK government to use money from a program for the poor to heat her palace.

For readers interested in how we can Canadianize the head of state, please visit Citizens for a Canadian Republic. The loosely-knit group doesn't have a Winnipeg chapter, for any go-getter parliamentary republican activists in this city interested in setting one up.

17 comments:

  1. Pat Martin is the biggest embarrassment in this province.

    Why are you ticked? Because a blogger has pointed out that martin has never met a microphone he didn't like?

    You might actually want to read Skoreyko's post. It more about Pat Mrtin being a twit, than anything about the Monarchy.

    I'll listen to and respect valid arguments on the validity of the Monarchy, but not the spew that comes out of Martin's mouth.

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    1. Dear Anon,

      Please read this post. It's about how stupid Skoreyko's arguments are.

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    2. Anal,

      You should learn to read, or at least read Skoreyko's post. Hes has a single point/argument:

      "Martin could learn a lot from the Queen about basic manners and common courtesy on when it’s appropriate to criticise and when one should keep their mouth shut."

      Martin is at best a mysoginistic asshole who embarasses his constituents, Winnipeggers, Manitobans,Canadians, The male gender and perpetuates the stereotype of " Stupid union worker" everytime he opens his mouth.

      Martin should STFU, regardless of what the topic is.

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    3. So, basically, what your saying is because Pat Martin is polemical (and much less, btw, than a lot of the CON front-benchers - including Manitoba's own Vic "with us or with the Pedophiles" Toews, he therefore doesn't have speech rights? Wow, that's pretty ridiculous.

      Regardless, there's nothing AT ALL offensive about his highly reasonable remarks about Canada's Official Aristocrat.

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    4. By the way, Anon, if you had read and properly understood the post you'd see that not only do I repost Pat Martin's reasonable remarks and find nothing objectionable in them, I post MORE of his remarks and MORE context than the country club Conservative of British Columbia did (who's own blog is pretty bottom of the barrel, btw).

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    5. No, I'm not saying that he doesn't have speech rights, I'm saying that any reasonable individual should disregard his speech as the blatherings of an individual with serious mental issues. Have you ever seen him in a conversation with a member of the opposite gender? I find it humorous that those on the life support this lunatic, yet decry the conservatives for "destroying Women's rights". Martin in the most sexist, mysoginistic a-hole in the whole H of C. I'll pull a trick out of the left's box - " If you support Martin, you're anti woman's rights and a sexist a-hole" Like that?

      Is there nothing offensive about the actual remarks? perhaps, but that's not Skoreyko's issue. Read his blog again. He is not taking Matin to task for his opinion, but rather his constant bad timing and lack of judgement.

      Interesting also that you expand on Martin's comments to make this about the actual comments, but keep the quotes from Skoreyko's blog to a minimum so the reader can't tell that the issue is about timing and lack of judgement vs. value of the monarchy.

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    6. So basically you want to disregard everything he says because you don't think he's tactful? Nice (il)logic, Pat Martin was pretty right on the penny, however you'd have "disregarded that" because he's a "crazy person".

      It's made glaring apparent that Skoreyko is moaning about Pat Martin's "timing" in this blog post, as you'd realize if you read the sentence quoted below:

      "This country club Conservative thinks it's "classless" for former carpenter Pat Martin to criticize having Her Majesty (and, later on, her heirs) as Canada's Head of State during her taxpayer funded party."

      "Martin in the most sexist, mysoginistic a-hole in the whole H of C."

      Please show me evidence of Pat Martin's greater harshness to CON women MPs than CON men MPs as well as misogynistic comments from him.

      "I'll pull a trick out of the left's box - " If you support Martin, you're anti woman's rights and a sexist a-hole" Like that?"

      What a brilliant (or not) attempt to reverse a leftwing argument. It's an attempt because you rely on a caricature of leftwing arguments showing the anti-woman aspect of rightwing parties - which are a lot more about the anti-woman PUBLIC POLICIES in the rightist party platforms than about individual members being sexist.

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  2. The United States has no Monarch and a growing dependant class. Sounds like the perfect place for you to live. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

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    2. Dear Riverman,

      Please find a change of employment. The thought that someone as ill-informed as you is educating people is unnerving. Even if you work as a janitor in a school (which, I guess, depending on how you classify occupations, might make you within the field of education), the negative influence your radiating stupidity has on the learning prospects of students is too great a risk.

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    3. I applaud Mr. Martin's statements. It's about time we took off the kid-gloves w/ regards to this "Monarchy". The majority of the world is "against the financial ropes" & we are pissing away millions of dollars on a millionaire!?! Fuck that lady, put the money to more important uses!

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    4. Dear Anal,

      If you ever leave your mother's basement you may realize that thousands of Canadians died in both wars defending the Monarchy and Great Britain. Your lack of respect is typical of socialist morons like yourself and your anal buddy Pat Martin.

      And about your personal insults regarding my career: sorry, you're not even close.

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    5. Riverman, your posts are of an incredibly low quality. Are you an idiot?

      "The United States has no Monarch and a growing dependant class. Sounds like the perfect place for you to live. " Doesn't really sound like an analysis at all, and ignores too many factors. It's well recognized that Canada's politics are further to the left than the US.

      "If you ever leave your mother's basement you may realize that thousands of Canadians died in both wars defending the Monarchy and Great Britain."

      This doesn't even constitute an argument. Thousands of Canadians compared to a population of almost 35 million, sounds like a really bad accident, not a huge sacrifice. Even if it WERE a huge sacrifice, this sounds more like a cognitive bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment than it does a rational principle.

      Riverman, I don't really give a shit about this monarchist debate, it sounds like political quibbling at best. However, if this is the best you can do, then please kill yourself now. You were a waste of your father's sperm, and a cut to the jugular is the perfect solution to fix this. I don't care where you stand on monarchy, but you represent a socially unacceptable degree of idiocy.

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    6. To ___________________________ ,

      That was a larger percentage of Canada's pop at the times (in WWI, 7 Million, and in WWII, 11 Million), but it is pretty irrelevant for Riverman to bring that up when discussing the Monarchy TODAY.

      Riverman's also incredible hypocritical to bring up the "US has a dependent class, you'd like it" jab, given that he claims "Anti-American attitudes" are "so 80s".

      http://www.winnipegzoom.com/forum/discussion/47/vikileaks/p1

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  3. "Dear Anal,

    If you ever leave your mother's basement" - Riverman

    Sorry, "you're not even close".

    "you may realize that thousands of Canadians died in both wars defending the Monarchy and Great Britain. Your lack of respect is typical of socialist morons like yourself and your anal buddy Pat Martin."

    While World War casualties were a considerable portion of Canada's population (of 7 million at the time of the First World War and 11-12 million during World War II), using their deaths as an excuse to stifle criticism of the antiquated monarchy in Canada is utterly disgraceful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Am I entitled to use the atrocities committed against first nations paternal ancestors of mine in the name of the Monarchy & Great Britain as an excuse for opposing the Monarchy today? Are you mad at the signers of the 1931 Statue of Westminster and the 1982 Constitution Act for "disrespecting" World War I war volunteers by giving Canada more independence from Great Britain?

    "Your lack of respect is typical of socialist morons like yourself and your anal buddy Pat Martin."

    I believe you once said that personal insults meant you won. Does the utterance of these disgraceful insults towards critics of the Monarchy mean that they've won the debate?

    "And about your personal insults regarding my career: sorry, you're not even close."

    What insult? If you're asking about my concern over whether you miseducate students, I'm sorry, but that's a concern (feeling) rather than factual claim and therefore can't be "wrong".

    If you mean that remarks concern the possibility of you being a janitor, I can see how a classist conservative like you would regard the possibility as an insult, but they weren't. They were genuine reflections on how someone who works in a school but doesn't directly teach students can still have a negative impact on them.

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  4. It's an interesting debate to me. I'm not against the Monarchy per se. I don't see the difference between having one appointed hereditary head of state with little to no actual power than the American system of Bushes and Kennedy's or even Hilton's and Kardashians. If there is a vacuum, it will be filled. It's unfortunate, but it's human nature, and better to let her traditional family business continue than to let something potentially more bothersome and manipulable take its place. Basically the Monarchy is old spaghetti code written in Fortran, but theres no way to replace it without redoing everything else.

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    1. Replacing the monarchy with an elected-by-parliament Governor-General shouldn't be too undoable.

      Besides, the attitude of the institution of monarchy is (as Riverman would put it) "so 80s" - 1680s, that is!

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