Wednesday, 8 August 2012

Pawley on Premiership

18th Premier of Manitoba Howard Pawley discusses his premiership. This video is a year old and was conducted in the process of Pawley promoting his autobiography.


There's some interesting thoughts I got while viewing this video.


  • Just how relative the political "centre" is and how goofy national media pundits can be when making cross province comparisons (see also the overton window). In the context of the 2011 Ontario election the Globe and Mail had a hysterical editorial out about how radical Ontario NDP leader Andrew Horwath was. They bemoaned her "radical platform" due to a Public Auto Insurance plank, then complimented the moderation of Manitoba's NDP!   
On the later point, it seems that the PC Party membership were even more hateful

It was the first time Filmon had spoken publicly about Mulroney's visit when - frequently interrupted by boos and shouts of "go home to frog country" from a crowd of 1,000 angry party members - the federal Tory leader said he would not backtrack on his commitment to minority language rights.  
("French rights won't split Tories: Filmon"April 17, 1984. The Montreal Gazette

Sterling Lyon & Gary Filmon opposed French Language rights to play politics. 

Stuart Murray opposed same-sex adoptions rights by voting against them (though "personally" isn't against them) and spoke at a pro-Iraq War Rally in 2003.


People wonder why these jokers have been shut out of power. There's no credibility whatsoever in the PC Party's trackrecord on important issues requiring sound judgement.

Howard Pawley is hated and demonized by the right and  lamented by at least one neutral-ish blogger as the epitome of "leftwing excess". Pawley's crime is basically doing necessary stimulus spending in the early 1980s to keep the economy afloat (which succeeded & did result in deficits) and hiking still nationally low auto-rates. This is nothing next to the clown of the earth moments we get from Manitoba PC leaders.     


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10 comments:

  1. Roy Romanow warned Howard Pawley about his budget saying Saskatchewan NDP could not get away with a budget like that. Paweley dismissed Romanow and said the Tories would fix the deficit at some point whenever they go elected. The meaning was that it wasn't on Pawley's radar.

    But it wasn't just Autopac going up that riled people. It was losing money on New Flyer, losses on MTS investments in Saudi Arabia, Workers Compensation deficit, hydro increases, payroll tax increases, the strikes, the head offices moving out and the very slow pace of translating English into French that saw the province challeged not once but twice in the Supreme Court and lose. Add in a biker war, gang violence, U.S. flag burning and hyperpartisan politics and you had a recipe for disaster brewing.

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    1. Please expand on the "U.S. flag burning" aspect & explain when, in the last 50 years, Manitoba politics has been anything but "hyper partisan". That's the nature of the beast.

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    2. And please cite exactly which source says that Pawley told Romney that the "Tories would balance the budget". That sounds an AWFUL lot like hearsay.

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  2. On March 23, 1983, a flag was burned outside the large U.S. consulate building on Donald Street. Two NDP cabinet ministers and six caucus members were part of that protest and flagburning.

    They were: Deputy Premier and Minister of Tourism and Economic Development, Muriel Smith, MLA for Osborne; the Minister of Natural Resources, A.H. Mackling, MLA for St. James; and other members of the NDP government caucus, namely: Phil Eyler, MLA for River East; Harry M. Harapiuk,
    MLA for The Pas; Elijah Harper, MLA for Rupertsland; Andy Anstett, MLA for Springfield; Don Scott, MLA for Inkster; and Gerard Lecuyer, MLA for Radisson.

    This is what I call hyperpartisan and reckless.

    Romanow, Doer and Layton were being interviewed by Don Newman on deficits. Romanow said that the idea the NDP would spend and worry about the deficit later ran counter to what he believed and he was the first premier to tackle the deficit in 1991.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/realitycheck/2008/10/the_ndp_and_the_deficit.html

    Searching for the CBC video but not sure it is archived.

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    1. Moreover, when Doer ran for office he was compelled to say "I am not Howard Pawley" and created the slogan Today's NDP to move away from the deficit spending link that many had with the 1980s NDP.

      http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2010/Lewis1.pdf

      Here is at least one mention of how Pawley believed he was in his last term and the Tories would fix it later.

      I erred in saying it was Romanow. It was Allan Blakeney.

      http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1v7i2/Lifesxtyles55January/resources/3.htm

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  4. I don't care what Gary Doer says while practicing his characteristic political cowardice, opportunism, or triangulation.

    What I want to know is the MLAs knew a flag was going to be burned and whether any of them actually burned the flag or applauded it. The best I can find right now is some old hansard from Saskatchewan, of all places, discussing the matter. It only seems to indicate that the Manitoba NDP MLAs attended an event protesting Reagan's pro-Contra terrorist Nicaragua policy & someone happened to burn a flag there.

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  5. Earlier post removed for typos and omissions (I didn't state that the hansard was from SK the first time).

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  6. I don't believe cabinet ministers belong as participants at a protest rally. I especially don't think they should be outside another country's consulate with a large crowd.

    I think it led to the end of the U.S. consulate in Winnipeg as the event certainly drew notice when it happened. Archived Free Press reports which are not available without subscription say the situation quickly degraded in the protest.

    It was hyperpartisan and ill thought of. Manitobans started to get tired of the constant conflagrations, strikes and marches and the right and left battles. The flag burning shocked people. Even those who were against U.S. policy thought it was not a good idea for so many NDP there.

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    1. I utterly disagree on cabinet ministers and protests. When there are genuine, moral matters to attest to the fact that they're a human being with a conscience and a moral imperative to oppose justice should transcend their status as a quasi-bureaucratic figure.

      If I ever get around to giving the Free Press some money, I might write some more posts on this. I've stumbled upon that article in the archives, but lack access to it at the moment.

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